A kill order issued by President Obama or an "informed, high-level official" of the Obama administration is one thing, and it's a thing I'm reasonably comfortable with--chiefly because I happen to trust this administration's judgment. But would I have wanted a McCain administration to hold such power? Or a Romney administration?...I agree that governing by a consistency of law is a laudable goal. But I also think this argument is fraught with all sorts of problems.
Of course not. No reasonable person would. But we cannot self-govern by caprice; we must govern by a consistency of law. That means we cannot forbid a Romney administration that which we'd freely permit an Obama administration; or, put another way, whatever a reasonable person would permit an Obama administration must also apply to, say, a Paul Ryan or Bobby Jindal or Chris Christie administration.
Would you be comfortable with that? I sure as hell wouldn't.
The most obvious one is in thinking that we can protect ourselves from the dangerous actions of idiotic presidents by codifying sanity into law. If you think we can, then perhaps it would be a good idea to check into the convoluted briefs written by the Bush administration's Office of Legal Counsel that attempted to justify torture. Beyond that - the classification of torture as a war crime was codified in the late 1940's. But that didn't stop the U.S military and/or CIA from participating in and condoning torture all over Central and South America in the 70's and 80's.
The idea that you can create enough rules to stop people in power from doing bad things - either out in the open or in secret - is simply nonsense.
Don't get me wrong...rules play an important role in any organization, no matter how large or small. They become the tools by which people in an organization hold each other and their leaders accountable. In the case of Bush and torture, the rules of the Geneva Convention didn't stop him and the second line of defense in our democratic republic - Congress and the Courts - failed as well. Ultimately it was up to we the people to elect someone who said he would end the practice.
I don't think that its ever wise to depend exclusively on rules or trust in these weighty matters - we need both. Its on us as citizens of a democracy to elect someone that we trust to abide by the rules. Beyond political differences, that's why I'd work my ass off to prevent someone like Bush or McCain or Romney from ever being elected.
I am a fan of the rule of law, but, as you correctly point out, the rule of law is only as good as those who you put in charge of enforcing and interpreting said law.
ReplyDeleteIf our goal is to develop laws that are foolproof than only fools will be in charge of the law.
It's clear that Obama cares far more about civilian casualties than Bush when it comes to drone strikes: http://counterterrorism.newamerica.net/drones
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ReplyDeleteI hunted this Andrew Sullivan post from 2007 down because now that PBO is re-elected it is especially prescient and insightful! I love it and hope you will too if you have not already seen it. If so, toss it!
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http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2007/12/goodbye-to-all-that-why-obama-matters/306445/2/
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ReplyDeleteThe memo is about avoiding accountability!
"I agree that governing by a consistency of law is a laudable goal."
Flawed as it may be, governing by a consistency of law is all there is. Government is either a government of laws or it is not! "It too difficult to follow the law this time" will lead, in a very short time, to lawlessness by the government.
This whole argument over 'We The People's' government secretly ordering the killing a person (a USA citizen no less) has been heard before. (The police in USA said it was too difficult to get convictions of criminals if police personnel could not 'cut corners' and had instead to follow the rule of law. (You know, like reading 'Miranda Rights' to accused and the like.) But by making the police follow the law, makes the police better!)
Now, the government of USA is saying, following the national and international law to fight an enemy is too difficult; let us cut corners again. (Yes I remember when using torture was once against the law in USA.) In this memo, USA is again above the law, national and international, the process of determining the killing is secret with no accountability and the official at all levels who makes and passes on the decision is _immune_ from legal prosecution!!!
Missing in this are many real issues, like:
1. At what point does a USA government official become 'above the law' (national and international)?
2. Does being 'above the law' extend to only USA President/Vice President?
3. Are Secretarial Department heads also 'above the law?' How far down the chain of command does being above the law extend?
By this action, a person exercising one's civil rights and human rights, is subject to being killed arbitrarily and with impunity by a government official.
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"The idea that you can create enough rules to stop people in power from doing bad things - either out in the open or in secret - is simply nonsense."
Wayne LaPierre (NRA Vice President) agrees with you. I do not.
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There are Constitutionally mandated laws that are being ignored by 'We The People"'s governments today. This memo outlines another step of absolute, and unchecked, power being exerted by government. What possibly could go wrong?
A very sad aspect of this whole idea is that there is no real reason to even contemplate such extraordinary action. (Regardless of how much noise Anwar al-Awlaki made about attacking USA; USA and the government of USA were never at risk.) By the actions outlined in this and other "SECRET" memos, USA and the people of USA are at risk of losing everything that made USA who USA was.
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"It's against the law" argument is simply not based in facts.
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Delete""It's against the law" argument is ..." not being proposed.
The argument being put forth by the memo is "How does the government get around established national and international laws and when caught, how to avoid accountability!" (Doesn't this sound eerily familiar to the 'torture' memos that were used recently?)
"Who do you trust with drones?"
No one. But as drones exist then it is very wise to assure solid legal oversight with strict, defined responsibility and _accountability_.
Ema Nymton
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