tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post1087827650559992605..comments2024-03-28T10:49:14.510-05:00Comments on Horizons: Left/Right Libertarianism as the developing threat to progressive changeNancy LeTourneauhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12614317154146836694noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-30160057803988519422013-09-08T17:15:07.042-05:002013-09-08T17:15:07.042-05:00Paul Canning had a couple of posts that add to you...Paul Canning had a couple of posts that add to your position where he is talking about Greenwald, the Guardian and the assault on government. The link is that corporations win, just as they do with Libertarians.<br /><br />A libertarian assault on the notion of government lies behind the reporting of the NSA 'revelations'. The left needs to step up, expose the con and defend government as a force for good.<br /><br />http://paulocanning.blogspot.co.uk/2013/08/the-left-must-challenge-greenwald.html<br /><br />...Promoted ad nauseam by The Guardian and reproduced without question, the link-bait 'revelations' about the American National Security Agency (NSA) are convincing more and more people that we live in a conspiracy, Jason Bourne world rather than the mundane reality....<br /><br />~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<br />http://paulocanning.blogspot.co.uk/2013/08/no-guardian-we-cant-have-nice-things.html<br /><br />Suzannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12130159732026998535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-53286201539149552582013-09-08T17:09:09.206-05:002013-09-08T17:09:09.206-05:00Phil, there is a difference between someone having...Phil, there is a difference between someone having the same view as I do and me going to that person and joining in with them in some way. SmartyPants is talking about taking action WITH libertarians.Suzannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12130159732026998535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-64304975219150608972013-09-08T07:31:54.502-05:002013-09-08T07:31:54.502-05:00I don't care about your characterization nonse...I don't care about your characterization nonsense, Phil.<br /><br />I care about the Syrian people more.<br /><br />You're lumping this situation in with Iraq. There are similarities, but there are also differences. <br /><br />There is a plan, but, since its coming from President Obama (who is the Commander-in-Chief), you wouldn't accept it anyway. <br /><br />The United States was founded on compromise. Our constitution is the exact result of a compromise between the Federalists and Anti-Federalist forces. So, there will be times, when being lumped in with an opponent isn't a bad thing. <br /><br />As long as you keep asking for purity, you will always lose and you will never change anything. All you will be is a complainer. You will never go beyond the complaining phase you are in now. <br /><br />As for proof of Assad gassing his own people, it's clear you haven't been following the reports. But, then again, you probably won't believe them. <br /><br />So, there's no need to argue with you anymore. No matter how the situation changes, your opinions will not. This rigidity may be useful in winning a political discussion, but it fails to actually accomplish change in Washington. nabsentia23noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-32861811370605984402013-09-07T21:17:38.544-05:002013-09-07T21:17:38.544-05:00Lol at Rand Paul for president. I knew Romney was...Lol at Rand Paul for president. I knew Romney was fucked against Obama when I saw McCain's research. I can imagine what 100 plus pages would look like with Rand Paul. No republican from congress should think about running for president. They burned that bridge when they tried to stop Obama at all cost. Rand's own party will crush him ruthlessly. The media will jump for joy at Rand making a fool of himself. I don't know how mean they'll be online. There's nothing to fear from the GOP. They just need their asses kicked.<br /><br />Vic78Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-3554790300140923112013-09-07T21:14:49.311-05:002013-09-07T21:14:49.311-05:00Brilliant post, Smartypoints!
A Southern Strategy...Brilliant post, Smartypoints!<br /><br />A Southern Strategy for the 21st century. That's exactly what this is. <br /><br />I've just realized that a component of the original Southern Strategy comes from on why it was created in the first place. <br /><br />In 1968, Richard Nixon won by such a small margin was because of George Wallace. Wallace, who everybody here knows, was a huge, segregation-supporting Dixiecrat. He ran as an independent and splits votes from the Democratic Party by 20%. Seeing how much of a split the Dixiecrats created in the Democrat vote in '68, Lee Atwater, the mastermind behind the original strategy, built upon that. <br /><br />I believe Rand Paul will never be President. However, that's not where the biggest threat he poses lies. It's in that old "vote splitting" tactic used time and time again. The best Rand can do is split the vote. This may be an attempt by the right-wing to split the Democratic vote or at least discourage it from voting. But, this could also split the Republican vote, too. A lot of Paul supporters who are still in the party could very well only be staying because Rand is still there. But, if Rand goes independent, they will gladly leave the GOP in a heartbreak. It should be noted that the GOP has always treated the Paulites very, very badly for years. <br /><br />Either way, what Rand does will be interesting to see. nabsentia23noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-78418566462983658982013-09-07T20:34:48.284-05:002013-09-07T20:34:48.284-05:00Interesting comment, Phil.
Once again we have a...Interesting comment, Phil. <br /><br />Once again we have a person too caught up in of the characterization BS mentioned by Hada Thought the other day. And as usual, this results in no action (even when its necessary). <br /><br />With the death that's going on in Syria right now, do I really care that Bill Kristol is on our side for this one issue regardless of his intentions? <br /><br />With Assad using chemical weapons on this own people, I really, really, really could care even less about him than usual. nabsentia23noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-88684637847421262602013-09-07T19:26:23.752-05:002013-09-07T19:26:23.752-05:00As someone who is addicted to looking at the big p...<i>As someone who is addicted to looking at the big picture, I think it behooves us to take a look at what is happening here.</i><br /><br /><br /><br />Why don't we?!? You do realize Bill "William the Bloody" Kristol is in favor of intervention, right? Given all that we know(or should), why would that be? He doesn't give a flying leap about dead women and children. Are you pleased he's on your side? See, it cuts both ways. Just remember that.Phil Perspectivehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13540815981930702517noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-28585230394060926992013-09-07T17:14:03.205-05:002013-09-07T17:14:03.205-05:00I think that the emos will come back as soon as a ...I think that the emos will come back as soon as a democrat that isn't Obama is running in 2016. (The last thing they want to admit to themselves is that they are neither democrats or the "real liberals" that they love to claim to be.) Then they will pout and go turncoat again as soon as that democrat doesn't deliver a glitter farting unicorn to their backyard the day after inauguration. lockewasrightnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-8296415534347730822013-09-07T15:53:36.658-05:002013-09-07T15:53:36.658-05:00So this is the American manifestation of those rig...So this is the American manifestation of those right wing anti immigrant parties that keep popping up all over Europe and Australia.doug rnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-39036989947233106362013-09-07T15:11:08.055-05:002013-09-07T15:11:08.055-05:00Libertarians have always been authoritarians, so a...Libertarians have always been authoritarians, so anything that looks like a quickened pace toward Fascism is really just us finally waking up and seeing the trend that's been there all along. I'm glad we're finally able to identify the traits and the people behind this movement. Helps us marginalize them. The better we get at identifying who they are and what they believe and how many of them are members of the media (MSNBC) Jeff Bezos buying Washington Post, DKos, etc., the better we can mobilize to discredit them and their belief system. I like the idea of casting them as fighting the Third Reconstruction. The Fusion politics demographics are poised to out-number them. Then what will they do?Tien Lenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-11596749662077569582013-09-07T14:56:06.288-05:002013-09-07T14:56:06.288-05:00Those who hate Obama but pretend to be liberal-pro...Those who hate Obama but pretend to be liberal-progressive spent all their time in 2010 and even 2012 telling people to vote for some utterly obscure candidate or not vote at all. Since they did not vote, they rendered themselves utterly without a voice or power. If they support Rand as a third party candidate, it will draw off more from the GOP than the Dems. We shall see, but I think as outsiders they are totally impotent.Churchladynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-90765155438498464512013-09-07T14:53:26.414-05:002013-09-07T14:53:26.414-05:00Tien Le - I HOPE Rand does not pull out a win as a...Tien Le - I HOPE Rand does not pull out a win as a Republican. As a third party, he's gutted. As a Republican... <br /><br />I have no good way of telling whether a Hillary run would bring the Emos back inside the Dem arena, but if that's what it takes, then I will swallow some of my worries about her. We can live with her. We cannot live with defections to Rand as a mainstream candidate if she is not there to pull the Progs back. They will be sorry, but they will vote for her thinking she's the real deal. White. Woman. Bill's wife. All the idiotic reasons, but hey.<br /><br />The pernicious in-gathering of not just Progs and Libertarians but even fascists now that Assange has supported the Australia First party is very worrisome I part because American Libertarians are moving toward fascism at a great pace. Those were the coalitions of fraudulent lefties with fascists under Franco, all lying low until they rose against their supposed allies. Fifth columnists scare the hell out of me. They have been game changers in other nations, other times. That cannot be dismissed out of hand as part of the 'Big Picture'. Churchladynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-37956420423892646412013-09-07T14:48:32.816-05:002013-09-07T14:48:32.816-05:00I agree with you that this is what the left and ri...I agree with you that this is what the left and right libertarians want, but I don't think they will succeed. I, also, think that the so called progressives were never part of Obama's base. I think what the President did is actually expose the democrats in the party that talked a good game, but did nothing to actually change things to make things better for 98% of Americans.sjterridnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-34245374684198229492013-09-07T13:34:50.482-05:002013-09-07T13:34:50.482-05:00Big Picture! This is genius, Smartypants. You...Big Picture! This is genius, Smartypants. You're absolutely right: the Libertarians are the KKK of today. They want nothing more than to obliterate our government and everything it stands for, but nothing so much as they want to get rid of Fusion Politics. I agree with the speaker in the video: The Third Reconstruction just might work this time. <br /><br />What I do question however is that an independent run by Rand Paul will ever have a coalition that will give him a true shot at winning a significant amount of electoral votes. He can throw a wrench in the works but that wrench could more likely look like what happened with Ross Perot. Rand Paul will be competing with the GOP candidate and message, not the Democrat's. If his desire is to woo disaffected white racists, he needs to get in line. Plus it it highly unlikely that an African American will be on the ballot. The nominees from the two major parties will most likely both be white. I just don't see Rand Paul as a threat.Tien Lenoreply@blogger.com