tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post1149502037388735738..comments2024-03-18T14:34:31.684-05:00Comments on Horizons: Odds & EndsNancy LeTourneauhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12614317154146836694noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-42352302381663804892015-03-31T08:40:20.398-05:002015-03-31T08:40:20.398-05:00Indeed it has been rather well documented. Which ...Indeed it has been rather well documented. Which is why, since HBO has decided to attempt to tell the story, t'would have been, at least to me, much better to tell as much of the whole story as possible. It's interesting to me, and I appreciate very much your explaining how my comments are making you feel, that you're having the reactions you are. My intent was not to have you thinking or feeling that you're supposed to disqualify, in terms of progress, what was done. I'm attempting to point out that what you're defining as their being historically short-sighted (now, from where I sit, "short-sighted" is quite kind. a number, including Ms. Anthony, were racist) continues to this day. Ms. Arquette is the current poster woman stating who the women's movement is supposed to be for, but she's hardly alone. There, to me, is much more to be done, then, WITHIN the movement. Again, to me, in these days and times as the country shall continue to grow more brown, can one realistically expect to make the much deserved and too long delayed progress for equality for women in the country as a whole - by telling women of color to stand aside? That, to me, is much like the Right thinking that they will continue to grow and succeed by using their same old approaches. They have worked. But, as Mr. Pence is discovering, not no more.<br /><br />I am completely aware that you "won't stand for that kind of nonsense". Therein... Folks (and, in my experience, regardless of the "race") who are actually like how Ms. Arquette sounded won't change their hearts unless someone who looks like them issues the challenge (regardless of race. intra group stuff). Guess who is damn good at stuff like that?<br /><br />And, perhaps I should've been more clear. "You" as in HBO. Not "you" as in Nancy. PBO points out frequently how messy progress is. He's correct. Like any number of other matters with their intricacies, The Women's Movement, to me, isn't an either/or. It's a both/and. So...feel good. And, when the spirit moves, light 'em up. Just like you did today.Blackmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-78017979513020425862015-03-30T15:33:46.695-05:002015-03-30T15:33:46.695-05:00It was that rejection of black people's partic...It was that rejection of black people's participation by the stuffragette's that I was referring to when I acknowledged that they were exclusively white. All of that mess has been pretty effectively documented. <br /><br />But I'll tell you how a lot of this makes me feel: Its like I'm supposed to disqualify the good that was accomplished for people like me because they were too short-sighted at their particular moment in history. I'll gladly admit they were wrong. But that doesn't negate the fact that they accomplished something VERY important.<br /><br />I won't stand for that kind of nonsense now (i.e., Arquette). But history is what it is. And so I'll celebrate the good that these women were able to accomplish - even if it was not complete.Nancy LeTourneauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12614317154146836694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-11408825380289204212015-03-30T15:15:22.614-05:002015-03-30T15:15:22.614-05:00For the sake of clarity, I'm not asking you to...For the sake of clarity, I'm not asking you to join me. This is how I feel about it. And, no ma'am. The suffragettes were, actually, not exclusively white(which is why the above pic, for me, is annoying because it's a very edited version of the whole truth. and that truth, now, is very readily obtainable) Black women, a number of whose names you know, were right there organizing and on it in 1848. 'Course, Ms. Anthony made it rather clear about what she'd rather do than have black women (and men) vote. And, clearly, as Ms. Arquette very plainly stated, women of color have been and continue to be marginalized in this movement.<br /><br />You know I very much understand and adhere to pragmatic progress. And, I'm certainly not suggesting that baby, bath water, plumbing and everything else be thrown out because of lack of perfection. But, this marginalization has been and continues to be a significant problem for this movement. And, it would appear, that, unless more heat is put to it, HBO, for example, is gonna go with the status quo approach. <br /><br />How you handle this,of course, is up to you. But, in 2015, if you're gonna go historical about suffrage, there exists at pretty much everybody's finger tips, information that can show a considerably more complete picture. And, it's one with problems from without AND from within.Blackmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-43295648348236155772015-03-30T13:58:37.351-05:002015-03-30T13:58:37.351-05:00While I agree with you that Ms. Arquette stepped i...While I agree with you that Ms. Arquette stepped in it - big time, and I know that the suffragette's were exclusively white women, I'm not going to join you in not feelin' this part of our history. Almost every moment we've stepped forward in the work of "perfecting our union," there have been limitations on how far that one step took us. For example, we could also critique Lincoln for not being supportive of the black franchise. Progress has been made despite the fact that it is championed by imperfect human beings. Nancy LeTourneauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12614317154146836694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-87682436023167557382015-03-30T13:10:40.236-05:002015-03-30T13:10:40.236-05:00'Afternoon, Nancy
Just for what it's wort...'Afternoon, Nancy<br /><br />Just for what it's worth, ain't feelin' "Suffragette" as, as was the case then and STILL now, this is about white women. Think Ms. Arquette stepped in it for all to see during the Oscars. Women of color continue to be an aside or an after thought at best re: the Feminist movement. When they say "women", they are NOT talking about all women. Woman actually said that all others needed to step back. Geeezzzz......Blackmannoreply@blogger.com