tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post1185505118283095735..comments2024-03-28T10:49:14.510-05:00Comments on Horizons: You BelongNancy LeTourneauhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12614317154146836694noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-38079603604770854732012-05-10T20:16:42.223-05:002012-05-10T20:16:42.223-05:00This is the best piece on this topic that I have r...This is the best piece on this topic that I have read so far.mlfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08454611597785457644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-74802771686974561442012-05-10T19:07:39.214-05:002012-05-10T19:07:39.214-05:00One more thing...
For most of us, our prejudices ...One more thing...<br /><br />For most of us, our prejudices are embedded in ignorance (in the classic definition of that word). Yesterday Obama talked about how gay members of his administration and the military and his daughters friend's gay parents all had an affect on changing his personal views. In other words, he got less ignorant and that's why he changed.<br /><br />So in your duality of ignorance or deceit, I'd suggest the former.Nancy LeTourneauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12614317154146836694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-81304467088564246042012-05-10T18:57:49.024-05:002012-05-10T18:57:49.024-05:00I didn't say that you said that he should play...I didn't say that you said that he should play political games with us.<br /><br />I said that you said that his IS playing political games with us. And that's what you just affirmed.<br /><br />I disagree. <br /><br />He struggled with what he believed about marriage. He was honest with us about that struggle. And he has now resolved that struggle and let us know.<br /><br />Perhaps you've always been enlightened about that issue. I haven't. So I know what its like to struggle through something that got embedded into your belief system.<br /><br />Both of us are making assumptions about what was behind all of this. Its just that I have the advantage of basing my assumptions on what Obama actually said. In other words...I believe him. You don't. That's your prerogative. I'd simply ask you to think about whether or not lying for political purposes is something that fits with who you think he is. I suspect that's the core issue.Nancy LeTourneauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12614317154146836694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-32795902861364507442012-05-10T16:52:09.973-05:002012-05-10T16:52:09.973-05:00It was comments like that that I oppose: I don...It was comments like that that I oppose: <i> I don't think marriage is a civil right</i> and <i>What I believe is that marriage is between a man and a woman</i> and <i>What I believe, in my faith, is that a man and a woman, when they get married, are performing something before God, and it’s not simply the two persons who are meeting,</i><br /><br />I will concede that he has been on the “good side” more often than not.John Mystehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16263634313238599515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-76154343632333897212012-05-10T16:22:32.768-05:002012-05-10T16:22:32.768-05:00I respectfully disagree John. The President has be...I respectfully disagree John. The President has been standing up for gay rights in action for the entirety of his presidency. He has a long list of accomplishments that have expanded gay rights, and he has denounced publicly the states who have put up legislation to restrict those rights. He has been standing up for the LBGT community for years, and as far as I'm concerned, him letting us in on his private feelings on it is icing on an already wonderful cake.erikahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17919621440729346304noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-46234629002938522472012-05-10T16:16:48.722-05:002012-05-10T16:16:48.722-05:00I am not saying he should play political games wit...I am not saying he should play political games with us. I am suggesting that he was playing political games and that he just stopped playing them, which was also a political decisions, ironically. <br /><br /><br />He always knew not embracing the rights of gays to marry was wrong, but he is only now admitting it. His justification for this was that he thought "Civil Unions" were somehow a workable substitute. Once he says this, I have to assume that he was previously ignorant or that he is now being deceitful. I know he was not ignorant. <br /><br /><br />I suspect that the real story is that he realized that his left-leaning base was annoyed by his moderate philosophy in all the wrong places. His decision to stay closeted in the past was political. His decision to come out now was a most likely also political, but probably does reflect his real belief, which is refreshing. <br /><br /><br />I give him kudos for coming out now, but then I scoop them up for not coming out sooner. Therefore, in my mind, this is a wash at best.John Mystehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16263634313238599515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-66690230683848652222012-05-10T16:13:58.121-05:002012-05-10T16:13:58.121-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.John Mystehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16263634313238599515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-16833495618934278412012-05-10T16:04:04.006-05:002012-05-10T16:04:04.006-05:00I don't think Obama was being disingenuous. He...I don't think Obama was being disingenuous. He admits to thinking about this. I would prefer a human being to come to his conclusions AFTER serious thought than just jumping on some bandwagon for convenience.<br />He speaking about looking at the situation through his children's eyes. And realizing that makes him a caring person.cecilia fxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14940357349001267865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-58959854495802500792012-05-10T15:52:06.923-05:002012-05-10T15:52:06.923-05:00Your comment is loaded with assumptions.
For exam...Your comment is loaded with assumptions.<br /><br />For example, are you suggesting that when he talked about being in the process of evolving he was playing some kind of political game with us? <br /><br />If so, I don't agree. To assume that means you're playing mind-reader. Certainly that is a prerogative we often afford ourselves with politicians. But that fact is - you don't know. <br /><br />I take him at his word. Perhaps that's because I know and embrace the spirit of evolution on this topic and many others.<br /><br />I'm not saying he wasn't wrong. He was. And I have no problems saying that. But as I understand your point - its very different.Nancy LeTourneauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12614317154146836694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-19370848437983845052012-05-10T15:41:22.429-05:002012-05-10T15:41:22.429-05:00I am very disappointed in how long he waited to co...I am very disappointed in how long he waited to come out on this. <br /><br />Discrimination against homosexuals is irrational and he knew this all along. <br /><br />I am glad he came out of his own political closet now, but he remained there too long. By not coming out and supporting the rights of all Americans, he implicitly denounced them.John Mystehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16263634313238599515noreply@blogger.com