tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post3326875935616024972..comments2024-03-18T14:34:31.684-05:00Comments on Horizons: The issues the white paper does and doesn't raise (updated)Nancy LeTourneauhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12614317154146836694noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-20092143123958496452013-02-05T20:32:11.122-06:002013-02-05T20:32:11.122-06:00All excellent points snkscoyote!!!!!
The frustrat...All excellent points snkscoyote!!!!!<br /><br />The frustration I often feel in reading progressives on this is that it feels like they pump up their moral outrage with absolutely zero context. <br /><br />Its easy to pump up outrage about war - something that is inherently immoral. I can take that from a pacifist. But too many of the folks engaged in that kind of thing today are not and simply exploit that inherent immorality.Nancy LeTourneauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12614317154146836694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-41392714700529604832013-02-05T20:06:02.803-06:002013-02-05T20:06:02.803-06:00Question 1) how is sending in a company of troops ...Question 1) how is sending in a company of troops (Fallujah) different than using a drone?<br /><br />Question 2) Was the Alabama kidnapper assassinated? It was clearly a pre-emptive attack, and he did not have due process<br /><br />Question 3) In the Civil War, everyone in the South was an American Citizen, were they all subject to Due Process?<br /><br />Question 4) Did German Americans who defected to NAZI Germany have rights of Due Process?snkscoyotehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06862679903009056232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-77874134156079981072013-02-05T15:35:53.917-06:002013-02-05T15:35:53.917-06:00SP I don't fear any discussion on this I want ...SP I don't fear any discussion on this I want folks that go on about drones to do is give me an credible, realistic alternative to deal with folks who declare war on the US and plot attacks on US citizens and allies. That is all I want.<br /><br />ebogan63Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-89726655765332642502013-02-05T12:58:01.167-06:002013-02-05T12:58:01.167-06:00Thanks sib.
I'm going to use this as an oppor...Thanks sib.<br /><br />I'm going to use this as an opportunity to vent some of my frustrations about this topic.<br /><br />It seems to me that there are two camps about this on the left. In one are the people who are screaming about civil liberties and - to my mind - are missing the point.<br /><br />In the other are the Obama supporters who fear that a discussion about this will undermine the President.<br /><br />The result is that NO ONE is having the conversation we need to have about this. That drives me a bit batty sometimes.Nancy LeTourneauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12614317154146836694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-14607131486979263662013-02-05T12:46:21.162-06:002013-02-05T12:46:21.162-06:00"But he's right that opening up a global ..."But he's right that opening up a global battlefield is a dangerous proposition."<br /><br />Thanks for your thoughts on this - and the other thought experiment post. Meaty stuff.<br /><br />Maybe I'm overly pessimistic on this, but I don't think there are any <i>good</i> short-term decisions available on national security. There is only the ability to choose which bad (read, morally stinking) course to follow in the short term, and try to lay the ground for better options in tbe long term).<br /><br />And I don't think there's any way to do that without reshaping the makeup of Congress such that it <i>takes responsibility</i> for stuff. Whether that's stopping it from either blocking domestic issues for which it faces no consequences for doing so, or from granting too much leeway on foreign issues so it can keep its hands clean and gripe about it later.<br /><br />In both cases, Congress is abdicating its proper role. And pressure on the Executive branch won't magically resolve that. It's pushing on a string.<br /><br />Hindsight being wonderful, of course, the AUMF should have been time-limited. Or something. I think the classic comparison - if my recollection is accurate - is of the pirate threat the Roman republic faced in c. 60BC. Pompey was given very broad military authority to respond to what was essentially terrorism. But it was strongly time-limited.<br /><br />And Pompey took that authority, wiped out the pirates, and had to cede that authority back to the Senate, where it belonged.sibusisodannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-55291618769713752762013-02-05T10:53:16.782-06:002013-02-05T10:53:16.782-06:00It's worth noting that this was released three...It's worth noting that this was released three days before the sure-to-be controversial hearing of John Brennan. No doubt this will come up before the committee, where Brennan will get the chance to clarify and set the record straight on the Administration's viewpoint.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com