tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post6042670146496262927..comments2024-03-28T10:49:14.510-05:00Comments on Horizons: Cory Booker can be wrong without being a "traitor"Nancy LeTourneauhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12614317154146836694noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-8398977264498475412012-05-22T19:47:20.933-05:002012-05-22T19:47:20.933-05:00Correction
60 billionsCorrection<br /><br />60 billionsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-75445096712848718012012-05-22T19:32:55.022-05:002012-05-22T19:32:55.022-05:00Honestly I saw this coming several months ago when...Honestly I saw this coming several months ago when Booker said on an interview that gov. Christie is doing a good job.<br /><br />Oh really, thousands of police, teachers and fireman lost their jobs. About 3 billion dollars if correct was taken out of our pension funds and no money have been put back since..<br /><br />Now this, Booker made these comments about Obama campaign ....Im very disappointed of Booker comments because I supported him during his first attempt as mayor of Newark and we lost. <br /><br />And I supported him on his victory win as mayor..now this is what the hard working democrats get in return...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-70960895319223455092012-05-21T08:22:30.711-05:002012-05-21T08:22:30.711-05:00I've always considered Cory Booker one of the ...I've always considered Cory Booker one of the most astute politicians ever. Having said that, and in light of the positive tweeter pushed out by McCain, this does look like it's going to be a HUGE talking point for the GOP for awhile and I'm sure it will come up in the debates when Romney is looking for confirmation of his business skills. A totally unforced error on Booker's part and I doubt we see him for awhile.<br /><br />JoyPAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-14195472069713570952012-05-21T07:11:34.006-05:002012-05-21T07:11:34.006-05:00I don't know, Smartypants. I'm not saying...I don't know, Smartypants. I'm not saying we should jettison Booker. But I'm not considering him an ally right now.<br /><br />We're not having intellectual conversations in a salon -- this is campaign season, and we're up against a well-funded, devious foe. The way I see it, I've been contributing VERY HARD-EARNED bucks to the Obama campaign, which has carefully crafted an effective response to Romney's BS. And it's a very powerful response, so it's money well-spent. Well, Booker didn't just quibble with the message -- he attempted to shoot it down. And in so doing, he's wasting my (our) hard-earned dollars supporting this campaign. I LITERALLY cannot afford the luxury of Booker's need to be intellectually independent right now.<br /><br />It's going to take a long time for me to decide whether to trust him again. If he's on the Obama team, his judgment is unbelievably lousy for screwing up that hugely and expensively. And I'm having a hard time understanding how a complete and absolute refutation of the campaign's messaging was a "mistake."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-46238872692188866792012-05-20T22:24:08.389-05:002012-05-20T22:24:08.389-05:00Sorry SmartyPants:
Baratunde Thurston of Jack and...Sorry SmartyPants:<br /><br />Baratunde Thurston of Jack and Jill Politics is your authority on the goodness of Cory Booker? Have you visited that Jane Hamsher funded sewer lately? Really.<br /><br />Can Cory Booker be wrong without being a traitor? Absolutely.<br /><br />But can I ask you this. How can someone who repeatedly self-identified as a Obama Campaign surrogate during the 60 minute MTP show launch into a full throttled defense of Bain Capital, including lauding it's role in creating jobs (thereby calling the President a liar), and calling the campaign's ads nauseating, possibly be viewed favorably by any Obama supporter?<br /><br />Surrogate = agent of and substitute for the Obama campaign. That is my understanding of the word. He, not David Gregory, chose the word surrogate. <br /><br />What Cory Booker did was FOUL!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-77748097586039528462012-05-20T21:23:15.514-05:002012-05-20T21:23:15.514-05:00And,as I have stated, I don't agree with some ...And,as I have stated, I don't agree with some of the more over the top comments on Booker, but if things like highlighting the business record of Romney, in light of Romeny's all too obvious mendacity regarding the president's record, is something that Booker's conscience cannot handle, then perhaps he needs to reconsider advocating for the campaign. It's not that I demand '100 percent agreement with the president, but again, if you are gonna represent yourself as a surrogate for the campaign, giving ammo to your opposition ain't helping him or her win elections.<br /><br />And I will leave it at that.<br /><br /><br />ebogan63.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-63389900586259036382012-05-20T21:15:26.249-05:002012-05-20T21:15:26.249-05:00I agree about " being challenged to be better...I agree about " being challenged to be better...." That is why I am giving CB a break. He got the message from supporters. I believe he made a dumb remark, like the "guns and religion" comment. Believe me, though many of my friends use that comment to vote against the president. I fear we will see the "Nausea" again and again. CB is gonna have a hard row to hoe, so he better get to steppin'! There will be other mea culpas by politicians on both side so perhaps it will fade. Time will only tell.mimihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08189205767523790444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-13493402262016105912012-05-20T21:03:48.867-05:002012-05-20T21:03:48.867-05:00I'll say it yet again.
I agree Booker shouldn...I'll say it yet again.<br /><br />I agree Booker shouldn't have said what he did.<br /><br />I'm not making anyone out to be "villians." What I'm trying to say is that its OK to disagree with Booker but not assume he's a traitor or sell-out.Nancy LeTourneauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12614317154146836694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-68232038239133181992012-05-20T20:58:10.709-05:002012-05-20T20:58:10.709-05:00Then we agree to disagree, because if he felt that...Then we agree to disagree, because if he felt that way, he should have used other avenues to air his disagreements than MTP and undercut the campaign's message.And far as I'm concerned, stuff like this make it more difficult for those of us who volunteer to get folks to vote for the president, if one of his own surrogates can't stay on message, why should those who maybe on the fence for PBO want to vote for him? In my mind, he made the campaign out as being liars over Bain Capital.<br /><br />I'm sorry, but to make those of us who are upset with Booker out to be the villians in this is something I find quite curious. I feel at times, we liberals want to be a bit too high-minded instead of realizing that in order to set policy and really change the political approach, you have to be about winning elections, and not sucking as teammates, which what far too often, the Dems seem to do more often than not.<br /><br />ebogan63.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-9365422635413427912012-05-20T20:57:28.647-05:002012-05-20T20:57:28.647-05:00My concern is that this need to jettison anyone wh...My concern is that this need to jettison anyone who doesn't align with us 100% as somehow a traitor or sell-out feels very familiar to me. I've seen and felt it before - and not in places I'm interested in replicating.<br /><br />PBO has challenged us to be better than that. I certainly don't always live up to his challenge. But I'm going to give it a try this time.Nancy LeTourneauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12614317154146836694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-44791964820319170192012-05-20T20:57:14.871-05:002012-05-20T20:57:14.871-05:00Feh. This reminds me of Scarborough during New Orl...Feh. This reminds me of Scarborough during New Orleans Katrina flooding claiming that GeeDubya's approval ratings would go up 5-10 points because Farrakhan flapped his gums. Didn't happen and everyone forgot about it right away.<br /><br />It's friggin' May. The last thing I'm worried about is how to react to chuckleheads like Rove. Everyone chill the fuck out, PBO's got this.Dr. Squidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10638684475622149972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-47388263991194254912012-05-20T20:57:01.912-05:002012-05-20T20:57:01.912-05:00It's not the same. This is an official surroga...It's not the same. This is an official surrogate of the campaign going on TV and saying that the campaign strategy is "crap". <br /><br />I hope it'll get him to where he wants to go.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-57070195971944862942012-05-20T20:50:07.278-05:002012-05-20T20:50:07.278-05:00He compared the Obama campaign attacks on Romney&#...He compared the Obama campaign attacks on Romney's "job creator" record, to the RW use of the Wright card. This is inexcusable and unacceptable. He undermine the entire campaign, he gave Karl Rove WMD from now to November. He's not dumb and he knew exactly what this will do.<br />No matter how hard he may work to help elect PBO, he has done more today to help elect Romney.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-67198604410129973862012-05-20T20:36:30.976-05:002012-05-20T20:36:30.976-05:00To me, mayor Booker tried to thread a needle. Goes...<i>To me, mayor Booker tried to thread a needle. Goes to show us all, as we watch PBO do it time and again, jusssst how hard it is to do.</i><br /><br />That is an excellent point Blackman.<br /><br />I didn't watch MTP this morning so after I saw all the reaction, I went back and watched the whole thing. <br /><br />I understand the point I think Booker was trying to make. Sometime PBO has gotten in trouble with the left for saying similar things about not begrudging Wall Street. But Booker really messed it all up in drawing the false equivalency. <br /><br />Some folks are suggesting he's so smart and polished that this was a pre-meditated blow. I see it just the opposite. He was wanting to have a nuanced conversation and should have known better than to try to do that on MTP.Nancy LeTourneauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12614317154146836694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-21528387687598848902012-05-20T20:30:12.381-05:002012-05-20T20:30:12.381-05:00The first thing I thought of when seeing that? If ...The first thing I thought of when seeing that? If you want a politician to agree with you 100% of the time, become a politician. Hizzoner's wrong about this. So? PATH leads directly from Newark to Wall Street. I at least see where he's coming from.Dr. Squidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10638684475622149972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-30588386186084686542012-05-20T20:15:07.611-05:002012-05-20T20:15:07.611-05:00I'd suggest its rather specious to think that ...I'd suggest its rather specious to think that he was doing anything to further his own political career. If you've listened to Booker over the years, what he said was totally in line with how he approaches politics. As I've said many times, its fine to disagree with that approach. But to make more of it than that is an over-reach.Nancy LeTourneauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12614317154146836694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-88686967828575681782012-05-20T20:02:45.439-05:002012-05-20T20:02:45.439-05:00'Eve'nin', All
Indeed, mayor Booker, ...'Eve'nin', All<br /><br />Indeed, mayor Booker, in his position, should stay on message. But, he's not Plouffe nor is he Axelrod. Womp on the mayor - yes - no need to name call. But, I would remind all that PBO himself said something along the lines of them clinging to their guns and religion. Shot his own self in the foot - and he weathered that. And, he weathered a number of other things as well.<br /><br />He's pointed out that campaigns - including his - are not smooth running machines. There are bumps. Happened in the last one and shall, we see, happen in this one, too. This kerfuffle will NOT give us no President Romney. If he can't handle this... And, I believe he's MORE than demonstrated that he and the organization are VERY tough and this shall be handled.<br /><br />To me, mayor Booker tried to thread a needle. Goes to show us all, as we watch PBO do it time and again, jusssst how hard it is to do.<br /><br />I seriously doubt, if the mayor wants to continue to be a campaign spokes person, that he'll do it again. And, I believe that we will continue to see Bain front and center because, indeed, Willard made it central to his campaign.<br /><br />The Twitter push has had an impact on him and I hope we all continue to settle down.Blackmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-8514307762224877112012-05-20T20:01:15.534-05:002012-05-20T20:01:15.534-05:00LOL! Sorry but when ever I see the word "pur...LOL! Sorry but when ever I see the word "purity" I go off since I doubt I have been really pure since the age of six. We can both stand on the same ground then.<br /><br />Aquagranny911Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-27617613133219573292012-05-20T19:50:37.529-05:002012-05-20T19:50:37.529-05:00In my mind, if you are going on a show representin...In my mind, if you are going on a show representing a political campaign and totally thow your candidate under the bus, giving gifts like that to your opponent, you should expect to be called out. I don't condone some of the more over the top reactions, but to be honest, I'm not sure why liberals are so quick to defend Booker, who I feel who used his opportunity to further his own political career instead of the reelction efforts of the president. <br /><br />ebogan63.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-77400335347863015952012-05-20T19:46:39.224-05:002012-05-20T19:46:39.224-05:00And don't you give me that "higher moral ...And don't you give me that "higher moral ground" BS.<br /><br />I just agreed with every point you made in that comment.<br /><br />So there...<br /><br />;-)Nancy LeTourneauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12614317154146836694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-30168270995216652822012-05-20T19:38:47.019-05:002012-05-20T19:38:47.019-05:00I'm glad I'm not PBO because he is a way b...I'm glad I'm not PBO because he is a way better person than I am so I get to spout off on blogs. Don't you give me that "purity" BS. I am a very pragmatic person who works for the re-election of PBO & Dems.<br /><br />What I do know is that what Booker said hurts us. I actually don't give a flying roasted fig why he said it or what his local political prospects are. What he said will be used against PBO & Dems. This is the primary issue I have.<br /><br />For just one damn time in my life I wish Democrats would have some real loyalty.<br /><br />That's all. Now, I will yield to your so much more informed and higher moral ground. Peace<br /><br />Aquagranny911Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-63048340105659204292012-05-20T19:07:01.029-05:002012-05-20T19:07:01.029-05:00And what makes you so damn sure that he is not but...<i>And what makes you so damn sure that he is not buttering his bread for the Governorship or the Senate</i><br /><br />What makes me damn sure is that I've been watching this man and following him for years now. Go read what Baratunde said about him after doing the same thing. <br /><br />But more important than that is that this reaction feels eerily familiar to me. Its what I felt from the "purity" folks who do the same thing to Obama.<br /><br />As I said at the end, I firmly believe that PBO has been asking us for years to avoid this kind of reaction. He demonstrates it every day against much more vicious opponents.Nancy LeTourneauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12614317154146836694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-52760973124699460962012-05-20T19:05:52.710-05:002012-05-20T19:05:52.710-05:00Mayor Booker...please refer to Mayor Kasim Reed fo...Mayor Booker...please refer to Mayor Kasim Reed for tips on how to never make it about you - stay on message!Mirandanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-6185412200184867112012-05-20T19:02:08.360-05:002012-05-20T19:02:08.360-05:00I'd suggest that my link and praise for Karoli...I'd suggest that my link and praise for Karoli's well-writen article critiquing Booker demonstrates that I totally agree with this:<br /><br /><i>such intemperate outbursts should not be conflated with the deluge of legitimate criticism of Mr. Booker.</i>Nancy LeTourneauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12614317154146836694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-86029176256740373522012-05-20T18:58:44.306-05:002012-05-20T18:58:44.306-05:00Sorry but "wrong & "dumb" could...Sorry but "wrong & "dumb" could give us President Romney. What Booker did was not a "gaffe" or a "mistake" it was a serious piece of propaganda for the Republicans.<br /><br />And what makes you so damn sure that he is not buttering his bread for the Governorship or the Senate when he has already been one of the speakers at a Republican/Wall Street group supporting outsourcing of public education recently?<br /><br />I gave him the benefit of the doubt for that one but what he did today is not that of a loyal supporter of PBO or a good Democrat. With friends like this we don't need anymore enemies.<br /><br />Sorry, we will have to continue to disagree here.<br /><br />Aquagranny911Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com