tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post7381083539261572650..comments2024-03-18T14:34:31.684-05:00Comments on Horizons: A culture of tortureNancy LeTourneauhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12614317154146836694noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-19329363097815795332014-04-08T18:27:22.837-05:002014-04-08T18:27:22.837-05:00Excellent point. One could make the point that tor...Excellent point. One could make the point that torture DNA has been imprinted into our national soul since the country was discovered.and Indians were brutalized, then moving later into history when slavery was introduced to this continent. Our "National Body" has metabolized torture. I'm glad you brought the crimes aided and abetted by the Reagan administration (though US was also complicit in bringing Pinochet and his reign of terror into power in 1973). These crimes against humanity are not done in a vacuum by one of "them". There is an energy in the culture that feeds it. I think our task is to start with ourselves as individuals to see if and how we might be feeding this energy. In my case it's allowing fear of these forces and my need to be afraid to rob me of my own power to change myself. I need to stop feeding the monster.Kathleennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-53935567049425599642014-04-08T17:25:58.432-05:002014-04-08T17:25:58.432-05:00That is what makes this essay by you so important....That is what makes this essay by you so important. It is NOT this single 'aberration' that we wish to believe was confined to Bush and Cheney but is embedded now in our entire Cold War mentality. PBO is challenging our basic right to inflict "legitimate US interests" on other people then enforce it via the SOA trainings of others to do our dirty work. We have been imperialist since at least the 1890s, and torture while formally off the books has crept increasingly into our policies as a way of enforcing our national dominance over all others. Bush and Cheney made it manifest - others at least turned a blind eye. Every time we assert interests that are at odds with democracy, with self direction, with other nations' sovereignty, we open the possibility of doing this again. At the end of WW II rather than standing on the very principles we upheld at Nuremberg, we actually embraced the actions of our enemy and incorporated them into our overseas expansionism. Others such as France did the same. It becomes too easy to justify these horrors as a part of national self defense when torture itself increases our vulnerability and never ever ends it. Torture is an end to itself because it is designed simply to assert total domination. That's the lure that has to be challenged. Churchlady320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-33342358746126057932014-04-08T15:34:31.746-05:002014-04-08T15:34:31.746-05:00You begin to get at what I would call the "cu...You begin to get at what I would call the "culture of torture" when you talk about it - not as an attempt to get information - but as an attempt to terrorize, oppress and dominate. <br /><br />So when I talk about rooting out the culture of torture in the CIA - its not simply about stopping the practice of torture (which PBO has done). Its about reforming the culture that seeks to terrorize and oppress as a way to dominate.Nancy LeTourneauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12614317154146836694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-60094317145563772622014-04-08T15:05:16.088-05:002014-04-08T15:05:16.088-05:00I have no doubt that this administration has slamm...I have no doubt that this administration has slammed the door closed on our abetting other nations in their use of torture as well as ending our own teaching and practice.<br /><br />That said, I fully and completely agree that these are acts that could be immediately revived in different administrations with very different views. So long as powerful interests see torture as valuable, the potential is always there. <br /><br />We must make clear that our nation's security is not assisted in any way by the violation of international standards of human rights. The claims that torture 'works' are perilously dangerous because it does, indeed, "work' but not as avowed. Torture never has secured evidence, facts, intelligence because that is never its purpose. It is to do to nations what was done to Sr. Ortiz - immobilize them and their activism through terror. It is an act designed with one goal and that is asserting the power of one entity over all others. In 1975 French philosopher Michel Foucault wrote "Discipline and Punish"in which he laid out the role of discipline - torture being only one device - designed to control the actions of others in the service of the sovereign. <br /><br />Torture works in that way. Nations and their people are terrorized by the specter of violence, dismemberment, pain, isolation, and harm to loved ones to thwart their resistance to the agent that tortures. Silence is demanded. Compliance required. Submission essential. What, historically has always happened, however, is that torture has generated mass resistance and hate directed at those who engage in the torture be it King, Lord, or Nation.<br /><br />The complete eradication of basic humanity through such brutality does harm to the entire fabric of democracy and human equality, but it never goes unchallenged. It creates massive social destabilization in direct opposition to the desired goal of compliance, and it puts those who torture into the category of the damned who must be destroyed. If the acts of any administration use torture in violation of our basic human principles, it involves us as a nation, a people, a part of humanity. Those who accept or allow torture are complicit in the violations, and yes, it is not enough to think exposure of this nation's use of torture 2001-2008 is enough. We have spread the use of torture and its legitimacy throughout the world by pretending it fights an evil. It IS the evil. And we lose our national independence and our humanity whenever we assert that it is all right. If we are to end the practice permanently, we have to accept how often and how long we as a nation have engaged in the practice and accept what hideous damage it has done to our standing in the world and what it has done to us as human beings. We must stop private interests that fund dictators who employ torture, and we must cease to allow our government in any way to engage in the use or teaching of this vile and disgusting practice. The report must be the beginning, NOT the end.Churchlady320noreply@blogger.com