tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post1239924536710345709..comments2024-03-22T10:49:51.766-05:00Comments on Horizons: Daily Kos: A case study in epistemic closureNancy LeTourneauhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12614317154146836694noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-48660289025944541432013-04-13T22:49:26.247-05:002013-04-13T22:49:26.247-05:00In all honesty, as long as Front Pagers are spouti...In all honesty, as long as Front Pagers are spouting tripe like this: http://www.dailykos.com/comments/1201012/49872706 or this: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/04/13/1201491/-White-House-Budget-defenders-pretzeled-again soon the black people will be running from there in droves.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05290958327953885793noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-85962657062182537532013-04-13T19:49:43.815-05:002013-04-13T19:49:43.815-05:00I find it very disconcerting witnessing so-called ...I find it very disconcerting witnessing so-called progressives pitch fits about Chained CPI and jump to wild conclusions before reading, analyzing, and/or understanding it and what role the president intends for it to play in reforming Social Security. If one allows oneself to get caught up in these folks' hysteria, one would think that President Obama is calling for an end to Social Security. Not being willing to consider other ways of doing things is not an example of someone who is serious about solving any problem. Since I've been a democrat for over 40 years, it's also embarrassing watching them allow others to shape their opinions. When they do things like this, they're behaving no better than those on the far right. These folks are not progressives and are not even halfway decent democrats, imo. majiinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-54997439351069349842013-04-13T16:11:30.155-05:002013-04-13T16:11:30.155-05:00By even suggesting this, you prove yourself, quite...By even suggesting this, you prove yourself, quite obviously, to be a "neo-liberal" (whatever that is).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-80382220065648934902013-04-13T15:43:00.764-05:002013-04-13T15:43:00.764-05:00https://twitter.com/Our4thEstate/status/3231723860...https://twitter.com/Our4thEstate/status/323172386079899649<br /><br />#FORWARDOur4thEstatehttps://twitter.com/Our4thEstatenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-2794554585373461832013-04-13T15:14:51.964-05:002013-04-13T15:14:51.964-05:00"My question would be...in promoting this kin..."My question would be...in promoting this kind of thing, how is Markos Moulitsas any different from Roger Ailes?"<br /><br />Indistinguishable.<br /><br />Yet another fine essay. Thank you SP!<br /><br />#TrustBarack He's Earned ItOur4thEstatehttps://twitter.com/Our4thEstatenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-28482380430856726572013-04-13T10:01:12.632-05:002013-04-13T10:01:12.632-05:00It's not just Kos, I'd say, but thanks for...It's not just Kos, I'd say, but thanks for this post. Your blog has become essential reading.Petehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03830774223073462725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-69010104794720972372013-04-13T09:33:33.864-05:002013-04-13T09:33:33.864-05:00I lump Markos and Arianna together. Where there i...I lump Markos and Arianna together. Where there is a profit to made, you'll find them. I literally breeze through their sites and if something interesting pops up (mama panda and her cub, yeah!) I'll take a look but I don't do anything in depth there ever, especially at DailyKos. The amount of scorn you can get from a simple disagreement is unhinged!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-45793655757001602512013-04-13T09:28:37.007-05:002013-04-13T09:28:37.007-05:00I wonder how many more black people he's going...I wonder how many more black people he's going to throw out of there this time.Dr. Squidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10638684475622149972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-84762790720988750652013-04-12T22:55:47.505-05:002013-04-12T22:55:47.505-05:00When they threw out the whole "more & bet...When they threw out the whole "more & better Democrats" and got to only pure internet progressive Democrats and attacked anyone who disagreed, that's when I got out. I'm thankful I found this blog, TPV, and Booman Tribune and for a little while BWD.<br /><br />These people don't live in the real world much like RW Republicans. As far as I'm concerned they're all the same. IL JimPnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-24872405729669457302013-04-12T21:57:33.970-05:002013-04-12T21:57:33.970-05:00I can still remember Markos back around 2004 scold...I can still remember Markos back around 2004 scolding Democrats for being to pure in their politics and not being willing to support people they disagreed with on a few issues but with whom they had an overwhelming consensus vision of where the country should go.<br /><br />That same Markos is now screaming that Obama is a sellout because he would dare suggest anything that might touch the sacred totem of Social Security.Chris Andersenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18139817527808942227noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-42109359690217306582013-04-12T20:10:32.172-05:002013-04-12T20:10:32.172-05:00It's the "Obama didn't pass Single Pa...It's the "Obama didn't pass Single Payer he sold us OUT!!!!" mishegas all over again. >_<Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-19870870642904958372013-04-12T20:01:05.054-05:002013-04-12T20:01:05.054-05:00The main differences between Markos and Ailes is t...The main differences between Markos and Ailes is that the former has more hair and less weight. His analyses and temperament became too much a few years ago for MSNBC and they no longer let him appear on their shows.<br /><br />Per Norbrook's above comment, Lawrence O'Donnell has done solid reporting on Obama's social security proposal for the last 2 nights and says he'll do more next week. He worked closely with Senator Moynahan, the expert on Social Security when he served. O'Donnell understands the issue better than any of the complaining liberal Senator currently serving. <br /><br />Howard Fineman, who appeared as a guest on O'Donell's show last night, also understands Obama's strategy behind his proposal and thinks he's kicking the Republicans' asses on it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-41704653668343243992013-04-12T19:11:56.975-05:002013-04-12T19:11:56.975-05:00Markos worked hard for Henry Hyde's election c...Markos worked hard for Henry Hyde's election campaign. Which Henry Hyde? Yeah that Henry Hyde, the on who headed up the impeachment proceedings against Bill Clinton in the House. Then suddenly Markos became a progressive, that is, he found a way to make money from claiming to be progressive. But his pattern is consistent: Support primary challenges to established Dems, especially in red districts, guaranteeing more seats for republicans. Fortunately, his electoral track record is atrocious, at one point having back the successful candidate a total of 0 out of about 50 times.<br /><br />Markos is NOT a progressive. Nor are the so-called front pagers who write there. Nor are the favored writers, like stinkweed, or whatever the name is, who spew nonsense designed to alienate people. The people who write for Kos wouldn't recognize progress if you dragged them along from point A to point B.<br /><br />The only thing that cesspool is good for is raising the profits of those pharmaceutical companies that specialize in blood pressure meds. Protect your heart. Stay away from that garbage dump.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-51539059431900805952013-04-12T18:38:30.636-05:002013-04-12T18:38:30.636-05:00It's all about the meal ticket.It's all about the meal ticket. Mikerayinberkeleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06679746314470443830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-23047799821734769282013-04-12T17:44:03.670-05:002013-04-12T17:44:03.670-05:00Roger Ailes has power. That's something Marko...Roger Ailes has power. That's something Markos doesn't quite understand. How many democrats even know who Markos is? Markos either isn't interested or he doesn't know how to advance the party's interest. Roger Ailes doesn't have that problem. <br /><br />Vic78Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-22972939496442949192013-04-12T16:59:19.538-05:002013-04-12T16:59:19.538-05:00Seriously? Markos isn't any different. He ha...Seriously? Markos isn't any different. He has very cynically carved out a niche where by rattling the cage, he gets the monkeys to shriek, jump up and down, and fling poo. Like with Ailes, it doesn't matter to him that the facts have been slanted or are non-existent. His "progressivism" is just a convenient label, not anything truly believed. <br /><br />I've noticed the pushback not just by other pundits, but Lawrence O'Donnell has had a great series of segments on Social Security by highlighting Frances Perkins, and her role. It's amazing at how many liberal statements are being exposed as myths by that segment. Norbrookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11383422747683493947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-68963789571798419852013-04-12T16:58:58.031-05:002013-04-12T16:58:58.031-05:00You could have posted this blog entry any time in ...You could have posted this blog entry any time in the last four years that it even remotely looked the President was going to cut SS, and the question would remain the same. This has been going on over there for years--Daily Kos fits right in with the whole cut SS click bait business model. Now that the President has actually gone and proposed exactly what they've been warning us about and fundraising on for years...yeah, it's worse now. This is what they live for and epistemic closure was always their stock in trade. That's the reason why people like you started your own blogs--because you are open-minded and welcome change and are willing to be informed about more than just the sacred cows of reactionary politics.Tien Lenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-16441928500365592782013-04-12T16:51:56.945-05:002013-04-12T16:51:56.945-05:00Thanks for a little perspective.
I don't like ...Thanks for a little perspective.<br />I don't like (or understand) the inclusion of the chained CPI in the budget, but....<br />Really? Armageddon?Rutthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06458422478819001822noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-81976194006392824782013-04-12T16:34:36.412-05:002013-04-12T16:34:36.412-05:00It's too bad that the Kid Kicker Kaucus is run...It's too bad that the Kid Kicker Kaucus is running things over there.<br />Dr. Squidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10638684475622149972noreply@blogger.com