tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post4529478045608364034..comments2024-03-28T10:49:14.510-05:00Comments on Horizons: Just how out of touch are Greenwald and Uygur?Nancy LeTourneauhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12614317154146836694noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-14501580650035608802011-12-30T22:28:04.516-06:002011-12-30T22:28:04.516-06:00Good enough. Though I'd like to clarify my pre...Good enough. Though I'd like to clarify my previous comment by saying that I'm talking about a more general cultural framing that goes well beyond mere political races and involves selling a different approach to life.Chris Andersenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18139817527808942227noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-88716843646977308192011-12-30T17:35:59.834-06:002011-12-30T17:35:59.834-06:00Chris, you prob. have a point, but what has worked...Chris, you prob. have a point, but what has worked for me in registering folks to vote is stating the candidates positions, listening to potential voters concerns, and finding the common ground where the candidate I want to get elected and the potential voters intersect. I emphasize the listening part, cuz this is something I feel that we as liberals don't do enough of, esp. when we are out of our confort zone and talk to folks not of our political persuasion. On your recommendation, I will give it a shot, until then, I will be devoting my time in getting the president reelected.<br /><br />ebogan63.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-18007868905766399212011-12-30T17:19:22.093-06:002011-12-30T17:19:22.093-06:00Please don't let the idiocy of some on the pro...Please don't let the idiocy of some on the progressive left with regard to the Overton Window lead you to mock the concept. Because it is a very valid tool for understanding persuasive communication. The fact that it has been misunderstood by some does not mean that it isn't an important tool to understand.Chris Andersenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18139817527808942227noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-21466788570910656022011-12-30T17:16:52.668-06:002011-12-30T17:16:52.668-06:00ebogan63 here.
Legislators get to set policy and l...ebogan63 here.<br />Legislators get to set policy and laws, not 'overton windows' You do that by getting people to run that share your views,and win elections, plain and simple!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-86603731333324151082011-12-30T14:54:40.306-06:002011-12-30T14:54:40.306-06:00I would so like to fold that "Overton Window&...I would so like to fold that "Overton Window" very neatly and shove it up the backside of all these people until they were tasting it on their lips!<br /><br />Sorry, bad Aquagranny911 mood today.<br /><br />Have a good New year! I certainly intend to!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-77150513711330631292011-12-30T13:08:53.110-06:002011-12-30T13:08:53.110-06:00"If they really wanted to change things, they..."If they really wanted to change things, they'd be out trying to convince voters they're right..."<br /><br />One of the most common mistakes Progressives have made with respect to the Overton Window is completely misunderstanding its audience. They think pushing the window means getting more liberal politicians out there in order to weight the scale in the liberal direction. No, pushing the window means changing *public* opinion in your direction so that the politicians they elect will inevitably be closer to your own position.<br /><br />More liberal politicians are the consequence, not the cause.Chris Andersenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18139817527808942227noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-9964829511847657672011-12-30T13:04:34.337-06:002011-12-30T13:04:34.337-06:00Thank God for imasmartypants! I love this blog. ...Thank God for imasmartypants! I love this blog. Truth is so very hard to find these days with all the agendas and disinformation. Thank you!Jerry Blackburnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-57931834577216044682011-12-30T12:54:50.751-06:002011-12-30T12:54:50.751-06:00Tien - I was hoping that by putting that link in f...Tien - I was hoping that by putting that link in folks would go back for a refresher course on all of that. Giordano nailed it - as usual.Nancy LeTourneauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12614317154146836694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-53100078143352577832011-12-30T12:38:15.797-06:002011-12-30T12:38:15.797-06:00Rereading Al's definition of Activist was good...Rereading Al's definition of Activist was good because as I read it I thought, This describes the "Occupy Movement" to a tee. Especially my local band of 'activists'.Tien Lenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-47776958967304152742011-12-30T12:32:56.118-06:002011-12-30T12:32:56.118-06:00Cenk Uygur is as useless as tits on a fly and Gree...Cenk Uygur is as useless as tits on a fly and Greenwald should turn in his gay card, seeing as his lazy ass solution is turning things over to assholes who would set gay rights back a century. Twats...LACnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-2263924661843510722011-12-30T12:16:08.033-06:002011-12-30T12:16:08.033-06:00You've got it Smartypants. If you haven't ...You've got it Smartypants. If you haven't seen it yet, I'll point you to an excellent post on Cenk and the PL at Speaking Truth to the Power of the Lying Liars of the US Media, Right AND Left<br /><br />http://emiliawahoo76.blogspot.com/2011/12/cenk-uygur-comes-out-of-woodwork.html<br /><br />(quote)I'm old enough to remember ratf***ers. They appeared, as if from nowhere, during the 1972 election year - young Republicans, mostly college students, trained to look and act like young Democrats of the day (the forerunners of today's EmoProg Puritopians), to infiltrate the offices and campaigns of the major Democratic Presidential contenders with the one aim of delivering Richard Milhouse Nixon the weakest possible Democratic candidate for the Presidential election of that same year....<br /><br />The entire face of the Democratic party was altered after that. McGovern's campaign manager, Gary Hart, set about changing it from a party which fought for union rights and for the working class and working poor into a bi-coastal cocktail party comprised of educated elitists who had nothingn in common either with labor history or the working class....<br /><br />Ceny Uygur was one of those ratf***ers. A failed corporate lawyer and neocon with an enhanced opinion of himself and an ego as fat as his broad a**.<br /><br />He, along with the likes of Arianna Huffington and Ed Schultz, all former virulent neocons, sought to tap into the low information end of Progressive voters - young people and disaffected Left Coastal unreconstructed middle class types who yearned to be hippies again (or even for the first time) who either had forgotten how to think critically along the way or who had never learned. Suffice it to say, these people knew nothing and understood little about the way the government functioned....(endquote)<br /><br />It's interesting how the light has been shined on a lot of behind the scenes manipulation that has been going on for years. Koch brothers, ALEC, PL and low information voters on both sides. Ratf***ers indeed.Suzannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12130159732026998535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-90278985272726775272011-12-30T11:26:59.718-06:002011-12-30T11:26:59.718-06:00And btw, it gets worse. I see Cenk may soon be pus...And btw, it gets worse. I see Cenk may soon be pushing "the next Nader"...<br /><br />http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/12/22/third-party-candidate-corporate-interests-control-u-s-government/<br /><br />So now the guy who endorsed Mitt Romney in 2002 and nearly threw the UT-02 Congressional election to a crazed teabagger is "our progressive hero!!!"? Ridiculous.atdnexthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18339904136472258194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-1018743039581822752011-12-30T11:11:30.470-06:002011-12-30T11:11:30.470-06:00Thank you, thank you, thank you, Smartypants!
&qu...Thank you, thank you, thank you, Smartypants!<br /><br />"If they really wanted to change things, they'd be out trying to convince voters they're right - or doing the grunt work of finding an alternative candidate and convincing voters to support them. Instead, Uygur adopts the role of powerless victim and suggests 'the establishment' wouldn't let him."<br /><br />This is what I've been telling PL/emo-prog friends and acquaintances for the last 5 years, and I'm glad I'm not the only one who recognizes this reality. If they were really interested in furthering progressive policies, they would have been spending the last 5 years doing voter outreach & registration, community education efforts, and candidate recruitment & training instead of whining constantly about how Nancy Pelosi-Harry Reid-Barack Obama-(insert Democratic leader here) "isn't progressive enough" because he/she can't/won't give them all the ponies they want whenever they cry for ponies. If the PL emo-progs really believe in things like single-payer health care, marriage equality, carbon tax, breaking the big banks, and other left policy goals, they'd be finding the voters and candidates to make it happen instead of flirting with extreme libertarian nuts like Ron Paul who HATE 99% of what "the 99% movement" is supposed to be about.atdnexthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18339904136472258194noreply@blogger.com