tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post5488817738184965127..comments2024-03-28T10:49:14.510-05:00Comments on Horizons: The battle for the world-wide webNancy LeTourneauhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12614317154146836694noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-52841374455958337962013-08-20T19:28:02.214-05:002013-08-20T19:28:02.214-05:00You're quoting that fascist Fitzpatrick? Wow, ...You're quoting that fascist Fitzpatrick? Wow, now I know not to trust a thing you say. You all will rally against any abuse so long as the US government isn't the one committing it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-11993403331917413212013-08-17T15:03:36.881-05:002013-08-17T15:03:36.881-05:00What would be helpful in all this is to find a mon...What would be helpful in all this is to find a money trail linking various of these people. If one exists.<br /><br />And I don't believen the goal is to get a Libertarian candidate elected POTUS. It's more how to create the newest version of Nader.<br /><br />Greenwald is on record supportive of Nader's tactics of getting Republicans elected.<br /><br />And we know Jane Hamsher had no problem teaming up with Grover Norquist.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-6443445181170536782013-08-16T19:51:53.277-05:002013-08-16T19:51:53.277-05:00Bada-fucking-bing!!!!!Bada-fucking-bing!!!!!Nancy LeTourneauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12614317154146836694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-11655672465000317242013-08-16T19:40:14.097-05:002013-08-16T19:40:14.097-05:00I just think they're a bunch of self-involved ...I just think they're a bunch of self-involved nihilists who didn't count on a President who would actually follow through with reforms to the way intelligence is gathered. They were banking on creating chaos and feeding their need for attention, and they might have succeeded in some fashion we may never know about, but in the end the President pretty much de-fanged them by facing this problem head on. <br /><br />It's kind of hard to be a glorious martyr when your perceived enemies don't even bother to take you seriously.<br /><br />Seriously? Control of the Internet? I just don't see it. The Internet is a massive beast of a thing and a handful of narcissists and hackers can no more control it than I could.Tien Lenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-4043178225465240022013-08-16T18:43:24.935-05:002013-08-16T18:43:24.935-05:00The irony of learning that Assange "hacked&qu...The irony of learning that Assange "hacked" into someone else's personal computer because they wanted to get revenge ... is all anyone needs to know about how to understand what these crackpots are really all about.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-91009189888613020582013-08-16T18:36:29.293-05:002013-08-16T18:36:29.293-05:00The idea that the Internet should be "free&qu...The idea that the Internet should be "free" is only possible because a) the US government created it in the first place; and b) created the governing standards. Which is something all the "libertarians" like Assange & others have managed to quite blithely wave aside. The idea that there's any "privacy" on the Internet is ridiculous on its face. I can, using a quick search, pull up web pages I created over 15 years ago, along with USENET posts from even further back. What the younger generation doesn't seem to grasp is the fact that once it's on the Internet, it's there for anyone to look at, whether it's a government agency, or someone who is just "curious." So the idea that the government shouldn't ever look at something you posted publicly is ridiculous, particularly since anyone else can. That every government with any capability is "spying" on other countries' communications shouldn't be a surprise either. In fact, it'd be more surprising if they weren't. About the only "news" that seems to be coming out is that this President has been instituting ever stricter controls protecting the citizens of this country from unwarranted intrusions by government agencies, unlike other countries. For example, China, Russia, Venezuela, and Ecuador, to name a few. Norbrookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11383422747683493947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-51905313056300621882013-08-16T16:52:37.108-05:002013-08-16T16:52:37.108-05:00"Creating" Snowden... Good verb."Creating" Snowden... Good verb. Middle Mollyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11441441493867436577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-7461809091192776772013-08-16T14:21:40.021-05:002013-08-16T14:21:40.021-05:00Assange, Applebaum, Poitras, and Greenwald interes...Assange, Applebaum, Poitras, and Greenwald interests are cemented by the same hate towards the US government and its allies. As a results, they are prone to ally themselves with the enemies of the US (Russia, China, etc.) by following the simple logic of " the enemy of my enemy is my friend". For example, it's no surprise that Greenwald does not consider islamists' violent attacks against the US government and its allies as forms of terrorism but legitimate forms of "resistance" (see http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2013/05/24/an-islamist-beheading-in-britain-ctd-3/ or http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/133107/glenn-greenwald-terrorizes-logic).<br />@Smartypants you are right, the issue here is not about privacy but who controls the WWW. Assange/Applebaum/Poitras/Greenwald want the WWW to be left unregulated so they could continue using it freely as a powerful weapon against the US and its allies. Antonionoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-12317541618137339782013-08-16T14:15:10.491-05:002013-08-16T14:15:10.491-05:00What has fascinated me about this whole NSA episod...What has fascinated me about this whole NSA episode is the power of the rhetoric used by Greenwald to build a picture of the little guy (Snowden) vs the scary giant behemoth know as the U.S. government. It’s so appealing to many people, including my husband who is a lefty (not a libertarian) and a big fan of Chris Hays’ show. I try to point him to your blog along with Bob Cesca and Charles Johnson at LGF, but Greenwald’s story is so enticing. Greenwald basically says a whole bunch of nothing in a way that generates terror among some.<br /><br />Personally, I think you’re onto something. This seems like such a perfect way for China/Russia to weaken the U.S. by dividing democrats/liberals. What if a Rand Paul gets elected President? It’s basically lights out for the U.S. Anyway, good job!<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-50101797937479805232013-08-16T14:03:38.421-05:002013-08-16T14:03:38.421-05:00http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/42405_Wiki...http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/42405_Wikileaks_Founder_Assange-_Im_a_Big_Admirer_of_Ron_Paul_and_Rand_Paul#rss<br /><br />"Today, Wikileaks founder Julian Assange gave an interview to Campus Reform and revealed that he’s a “big admirer” of the craziest libertarian racists in US politics: Ron and Rand Paul.<br /><br />Assange says the far right (represented by these two bigoted kooks) is America’s “only hope.”<br /><br />College-aged support for libertarians and Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) represents the United States’ “only hope” in politics, Wikileaks founder Julian Assange told Campus Reform early Friday morning.<br /><br />“The only hope as far as electoral politics… presently, is the libertarian section of the Republican party,” said Assange, in response to a question about the recent swell of college-aged and youth-based support for libertarianism.<br /><br />“The libertarian aspect of the Republican Party is presently the only useful political voice really in the U.S. Congress,” said Assange. “[I] am a big admirer of Ron Paul and Rand Paul for their very principled positions in the U.S. Congress on a number of issues.”<br /><br />And he didn’t stop there; Assange also lavished praise on the ugliest race-baiting right wing news aggregator in the US, Matt Drudge:<br /><br />Assange, who was speaking in an online video forum, hosted by the transparency organization OurSay.org, also praised American Journalist Matt Drudge saying he is responsible for breaking down the “self-censorship” of the American mainstream media.<br /><br />“Matt Drudge is a news media innovator… It is as a result of the self-censorship of the establishment press in the United States that gave Matt Drudge such a platform and so of course he should be applauded for breaking a lot of that censorship,” said Assange.<br /><br />It’s not really surprising to see the wacko libertarian left meeting up with the wacko libertarian right, out on the fringes where they belong. But this is Assange’s most direct statement of support yet for the US radical right wing."<br /><br />I've been telling folks for a very long time these folks are Right Wing.snkscoyotehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06862679903009056232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-16906418106367793372013-08-16T12:49:21.228-05:002013-08-16T12:49:21.228-05:00I totally agree. All I'm doing is pointing out...I totally agree. All I'm doing is pointing out how their interests are aligned and how they're working together now.<br /><br />I do - however - have tons of questions about the involvement of Assange/Applebaum in creating Snowden.Nancy LeTourneauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12614317154146836694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163441833245663827.post-75958740660015430272013-08-16T12:37:56.157-05:002013-08-16T12:37:56.157-05:00I think we have to be careful here not to fall int...I think we have to be careful here not to fall into the trap of thinking that evidence of connections between individuals and interested parties is evidence of deliberate planning to achieve the state where we are right now.<br /><br />What I see happening is more like interested parties taking advantage of situations that arise (and taking advantage of the people that bring them to their attention) in order to maximize their leverage in future negotiations.<br /><br />In other words, Russia and China didn't create Assange, Greenwald and Snowden, but they are certainly happy to use them in order to get a leg up on the US in any future negotiations about the operation of the internet.Chris Andersenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18139817527808942227noreply@blogger.com