I got a pretty good belly laugh today when I read the diary by Markos titled Whatever it is Obama is doing, it's not working.
I imagine that most of you don't follow what's going on over at Daily Kos. But the "cooperation and camaraderie" at that place is non-existent and they recently ran off the one guy who had been given the task of trying to keep things in check. All hell has broken loose since and Markos is almost daily writing diaries in search of some libertarian nirvana way of getting on top of things.
I even used what's going on there as an example with some of my leadership staff today in talking about how/why so many liberals are REALLY bad at management.
Does any of that failure get funneled into an ounce of humility when it comes to trashing how President Obama is leading? Of course not. The guy who can't run a blog is telling the leader of the free world that what he's doing isn't working. Now if that's not high comedy, you're not paying attention.
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Markos is a ratfucker. Another Damascene DEmocrat. And CIA.
ReplyDeleteEmilia
ReplyDeleteYou have much stronger feelings about this than I do...which is fine.
I just think he's a damn fool.
Markos bet on the wrong horse when he threw in with the fauxgressives, and now he's doubling down. His basic problem is that he was only in it for the money to begin with.
ReplyDeleteIn terms of management skills, he really doesn't have any. I've run enough things to know that you don't let things go as far out of hand as he did, fob off the "control" of it to someone, and then not realize that there's something wrong when large numbers of long-time members decide to take a hike.
Norbrook
ReplyDeleteYou're so right - zero management skills.
I saw an interview he did at NN where at least he admitted that he's lazy. So we're back to your first point about being in it for the money. I don't think he really gives a damn. But then that's what makes it so funny when he has the balls to come out and critique President Obama.
Smartypants,
ReplyDeleteI've run, and been on enough enough mailing lists, IRC channels, bulletin boards, chat boards, etc. (yes, I've been around a long time!) to know that there's certain things you absolutely, positively have to do when you're dealing with a forum that's diverse and "popular." What I see Kos doing is none of them, and you can't even chalk it up to "he's new," or "learning curves." It's simply inability - or unwillingness - to be consistent, develop clear guidelines, and delegate accordingly.
I got the impression that he was looking to move on, hopefully to "mass media pundit" and "best-selling author." Not that he could be bothered to do something like "clear guidelines" and "delegate" while he was off chasing the rainbow. When that didn't happen, he's been lashing out ever since.
I agree he's got a lot of nerve, since he's principally responsible (you own it, it's your responsibility) for the descent of DK from a fairly respected, diverse, and analytical site into a morass of steaming bitterness and fauxgressive idiocy, with concurrent decline in "influence." Contrast that with what the President has done, and it's pretty obvious that any critiques Markos makes are reflecting his failures, not the President's.
ebogan83 here.
ReplyDeleteWhatever your hustle is Markos, it ain't working, cuz too many folks have peeped your game.
Sadly, nothing this arrogant buffoon does suprises me anymore. The Great Orange Satan used to be a daily read but it has become a sewer of paranoia, stupidity, and intolerance. I was through with Moulitsas when he posted a diary calling Michelle Obama classless.
ReplyDeleteI used to read it MULTIPLE times during the day. I knew it was time to stop visiting the site when I saw how it affected my moods. Seriously. When you start snapping at people close to you after reading some of their BS diaries, it's time to look into other sites to visit. Then they wonder why the president is "just not into them". I just wish they would stop going around, calling themselves "the base". Same with Newt Gringrich's BFF, Arianna Huffington.
ReplyDeleteWhy, exactly, did that moderator leave the Orange Fox? What happened?
TrumpDog,
ReplyDeleteMeteor Blades simply announced he was leaving DK "for personal reasons" and no one's heard a word from him since. But when folks asked if it had anything to do with the blog, ALL of the frontpagers showed up in comments (something they rarely do) and totally blasted the person for even asking. Not one of them answered that simple question.
Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out.
Norbrook, I couldn't have said it better. I've long thought that he was hoping to capitalize on his 15 minutes of fame (Countdown) and launch himself into the national discourse. When he got the column (at Newsweek?, I can't remember. Honestly never read it) I think he thought his star was launched. Instead, it fizzled. A lot of people are catching on to GOS, FDL and HuffPost and are moving on to more pragmatic sites.
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ReplyDeleteI agree partly about dkos, it still has sometimes good analysis IMHO, aside from the cesspool. But I would hesitate to characterize Markos as a lazy do it for the money guy. His book 'Taking on the system' seemed good advice to me.
And it is not reproachable per se to look for a career as pundit, I would think
In defense of Markos, he's a smart guy who throws a great party. The problem is that he belongs to the "cool kids" clique and they are desperate for relevance.
ReplyDeleteWell I certainly agree that Moulitsas is desperate but that hardly excuses his apparent indifference to the appalling deterioration of his site. Apart from the character assination and invective hurled at our president, I know of numerous cases of bullying and racial harrassment that have taken place with the apparent tacit approval of the "moderators".
ReplyDeleteAnonymous @1:15:
ReplyDeleteThat book was basically an attempt to update Alinsky, and his previous book was touting how "the netroots" was a new power in politics. Unfortunately, those who read Alinsky pretty much yawned, and the netroots, as he envisioned them didn't supplant the base or the old "roots."
The reason I characterized him as a "in it for the money" guy is because it's blatantly obvious from his actions. The moment something offers him increased hits, the site's behavior changes, egged on by him. When he thinks something else is going to make him more money, he ignores the site totally.
One of the things that Markos has never done is to get established with the credibility to be a paid pundit. He's never run campaigns, he's never been a congressional or adminstration staffer, or held elective office. His main "political experience" was being a Republican precinct captain for Henry Hyde. Now, he does write well, and yes, he had an audience because of Daily Kos. So yes, he was a "paid pundit," and instead of realizing where his home base was, he has been chancing everything else but.
When BlackWaterDog got run off from DKos, that was the end for me. I happened to follow a link back the other day and the negativity is toxic. I can't even imagine how that story will end.
ReplyDeleteDid you ever stop to consider just how many of the leading "Progressive" voices are recent Damascene converts to Leftwing politics? Huffington, Kos,Cenk, Aravosis, Ed Schultz - all, until recently, pretty virulent neocons. Money has a LOT to do with that situation, but we're onto a tradition started in the Republican party 40 years ago by Donald Segretti, refined by Lee Atwater, and made into an art by Karl Rove. This is the next step.
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