Is Vance a groyper?

Marjorie Taylor Greene isn't the only MAGA member breaking up with Trump. Nick Fuentes has taken things even further. Here's what he said about the president on his podcast last week:

Fuck you! Fuck you! You suck! You are fat, you are a joke, you are stupid, you are not funny, you are not as smart as you think you are.

If you watch my show, you know I’ve been very critical. I’ve never been this far. This just goes to show, this entire thing has been a scam. When we look back on the history of populism in America, we are gonna look back on the MAGA movement as the biggest scam in American history. And the liberals were right, the MAGA supporters were had!

When we look back in history we will see Trump as a scam artist.

This is significant because Fuentes is the leader of a group commonly known as "groypers." It would take days to pull up every disgusting quote from this guy, but this clip pretty much sums up his overall viewpoint: 

Jews are running society, women need to shut the fuck up, Blacks need to be imprisoned for the most part, and we would live in paradise, it's that simple. It's literally that simple...we need white men running everything. OK?

That is the kind of bile Fuentes' supporters (mostly young men) are being fed of a daily basis. Therefore, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see a connection between the groypers and the Young Republicans whose text exchanges were recently made public.

MAGA author Rod Dreher was in Washington D.C. recently (he lives in Hungary these days because he loves what dictator Viktor Orban has done to that country). He wrote that a D.C. insider told him that  “between 30 and 40 percent” of the Zoomers who work in official Republican Washington are fans of Nick Fuentes. Dreher goes on to say that he talked to J.D. Vance about his concern regarding the groypers.  How did the VP respond? Dreher refused to tell us. 

I shared with him my views about the threat that Nick Fuentes and Groyperism pose to the country, to the GOP, and to him personally. He listened to what I had to say. And that is all I can say about it, out of respect for his privacy.

It's worth noting that when Vance was asked about the racist/sexist/anti-semitic texts from the young Republicans, he basically brushed it off with the equivalent of "boys will be boys." It sure sounds like he might have done the same thing with Dreher's warning. 

So let's compare the views of Vance to those of Fuentes. The former:

• told Tucker Carlson in 2021 that the country was being run by a bunch of "childless cat ladies."
• spread the lie about Haitian immigrants eating pets.
• embraced the white supremacist "blood and soil" view of American nationalism.
• embraced Gernany's Nazi party.

Jamelle Bouie noted these similarities and was left with one question.

Here’s my question for you: You can parse all the rhetoric you’d like, but what is the actual, practical difference between Vance’s call for the removal and potential expropriation of “illegal” immigrants — defined in terms of ethnic and racial difference — and Fuentes’s vision of a white ethno-state in what is now the United States?

They look about the same to me.

Another way of asking that question would be: "Is VP Vance a groyper?" My response to that one would be: "They look about the same to me."

But it's not just the racist/sexist/anti-semitic views that Vance shares with Fuentes. Here is what Dreher said about the groypers:

I asked one astute Zoomer what the Groypers actually wanted (meaning, what were their demands). He said, “They don’t have any. They just want to tear everything down.”...

Compare that with what Vance said to Jack Murphy in 2021:

"Step one in the process is to totally rip out like a tumor the current American leadership class and then reinstall some sense of American political religion."

When asked by the host what that would look like, since elections are ineffectual, Vance brings up his buddy Curtis Yarvin.

As a reminder, Yarvin is the guy who says that our government has gotten stale and needs to be deleted. In the place of a deleted government, Yarvin says that we should install a "national CEO," otherwise known as a dictator. He then says that "if Americans want to change their government, they're going to have to get over their dictator phobia."

Right now people like MTG and Fuentes (among others) are jockeying for positions in a post-Trump era. So is J.D. Vance. This is where all of that is headed - if Vance has anything to say about it.